Comments on: Beyond The Socialist Dream, A Money-less Society Part I

By: Robert Howes

Robert Howes — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:45:18 +0000

Hi Ted,

Here in Swansea, Wales, UK a new free cafe has just started up. It is called the Cwtch Community Centre. Cwtch is pronounced Cutch. I took some cookies in there today that Sue made. Sue went there yesterday for a meeting. I’ve not had time yet. Sue and I and three others make up the Brynderwen vegan community here in Llansamlet. I am planning a business empire with a difference, a network of limited liability partnership flexi co-ops. They could be the key to much needed change prior to any kind of world socialism.

Cheers,

Bob
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By: Ted

Ted — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:44:12 +0000

Thank You all for being here. I have just found this site and am very happy to know there really are others giving serious and intelligent thought to this topic.

I have been interested in a Non-Monetary Society, and all the arguements for and against, for quite some time and I pay close attention to Intentional Communities such as “Twin Oaks” http://www.twinoaks.org .

I have a lot of catching up to do on this conversation but I hope to join in the discussion soon.

By: chris

chris — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:52:22 +0000

you see, I waited for a time because time some times tells more than not on a situation, you see any government is nothing but a fiction, a non entitiy if you will, so I get those government inquiries about the neatness of my yard, because if you live at law things will look messy to the ignorant as they cannot see life outside their narrow box. A fiction I do not claim to be a part of. so when they send their communications in the mail i promptly trash it in the bin where it belongs. When you answer their invite then you simply open an issue which does not in reality exists. It has been over 2 months and have not heard back, Neighbor 2 doors down made the mistake of answereing and bought himself trouble that he really didn t want. You see a fiction operating in the names of other humans have no more right than any one standing man. No man has a right to tell a man what property he may or may not own. A read on the treaty of human rights will key you in on what is or is not acceptable. Corrupts governments must to stay oppressive continually harass individuals steal there propery to prop up their self importance of a non funcitoning system, until you and others stand up against them and even address them in there courts, not progress to a better society on earth can be achieved. We do have to realize that those who have plagued the earth with this deplorable system must be dealt with either by execution or life imprisonment. A plan has to be devised to deal with sociopaths, mentally ill, criminal element and all other persons that must be housed separately in assisted living conditions and the methods and manner and time frame in which those actions are taken.

By: Robert Howes

Robert Howes — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:39:05 +0000

Thank you Nick,

I have had a quick look. I will study in more over the next few days. Thank you again.

Cheers,

Bob
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By: nick9tap

nick9tap — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:08:33 +0000

http://www.freetheplanet.net/ bob will like this

By: Subhendu Das

Subhendu Das — Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:30:04 +0000

KT,

You are right, my method is obviously too simplistic. But you cannot do high level as well as detailed low level analysis in half a page posting. You have to make a choice.

Moreover my problem was the hypothesis – THERE IS FOOD CRISIS.

I am saying no, there is none. We do not have to kill people to solve world food problem. I have shown we can produce 3 pounds of food per person. If you consider all the factors that you have mentioned, and if they reduce the number to 2 pounds, per person, per day, then still we do not have food crisis.

So, in one sense I have considered your factors, because I used the number 2 Lbs in my previous analysis. Moreover the issue is – can we produce? Management of distribution is a separate problem. How to produce and where to produce are also not the issue here. I have considered a very small problem, so that half a page is enough.

As we go to higher level problems, it must become abstract, and has to assume all the low level details are known or can be solved. As an example – We want to use Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAV) in future wars. We want to make strategic plans for that. In this plan, we cannot obviously raise the issue of what kind of microprocessor we should use in the navigation computer of the UAV. We assume, that problem can be solved or has been solved by the responsible parties.

Hope my objective is clear now.

By: chris

chris — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:35:21 +0000

further, tribal people have considerably different social strategies and its not the right of other to impose on them methods that they seem to be in another groups best interest, even if it indeed seems so, Africa for instance is both tribal and nomadic for the most part. if the problem is not sollivable by other than what we see as starvation, then still leave them alone. after all starvation is used in the medical field of homeopathy to cure a number of diseases, they may have solutions to problems that we don t because of their methods of living

By: chris

chris — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:34:53 +0000

further, tribal people have considerably different social strategies and its not the right of other to impose on them methods that they seem to be in another groups best interest, even if it indeed seems so, Africa for instance is both tribal and nomadic for the most part. if the problem is not sollible by other than what we see as starvation, then still leave them alone. after all starvation is used in the medical field of homeopathy to cure a number of diseases, they may have solutions to problems that we don t because of their methods of living

By: KT

KT — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:47 +0000

Your analysis of the numbers is way too simplistic. You need to factor in where the food is produced and where it needs to go. Then you need to account for different spoilage rates and put in place distribution models that route foods that rot faster more quickly. Inherent in the distribution is the need to factor in fuel consumption for various modes of transport and weigh this against the potential greenhouse gas problems. Then there is the whole problem of which fuels to use and their production/consumption.

On top of all this are the countless political minefields inherent in transporting food and making sure it gets to where it needs to go with a minimum of piracy/bribes/tariffs, etc.

Food distribution is not a simple problem and it is pretty much meaningless to take a big number and divide it equally amongst the world’s population.

By: Robert Howes

Robert Howes — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:09:21 +0000

What we ordinary people need do first is organise our own lives and jobs. Forget politics for the moment. I stress “for the moment” because we can deal with politics once we are in a position to do so. First we need to be able to make a living outside of the capitalist empire in which we are disposable pawns. Only by uniting in small business ventures can we keep ourselves afloat while growing in strength and numbers. You cannot be unemployed when you have land and businesses. You simply work for each other when there is no paid work to be had, and work for pay whenever you can so as to pay unavoidable bills and build up more land and equipment and expertise and so on. I am in business for myself but ready to expand my operations so as to provide employment for one other. Later on we can double our numbers again. and we can keep doubling our numbers and our diversity for as long as it takes. Other groups can do the same and groups can help each other, financially and in so many other ways.

Discuss!

Cheers,

Bob
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